Conclusion of the Absalom/Covenant Awar

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65 comments posted
 

Thank you to everyone on both sides of the divide for their help and patience in putting this together.

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Posted by Pands on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 21:36
 

Thanks to Pands for taking 3 weeks to sort the article out and 1 week of blaming editors :)

Posted by Cheetzy on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 21:41
 

nice work pands!

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Posted by Tyreal on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 21:48
 

Wasnt just me, was group effort of finger pointing - thats called teamwork. Admittedly next time I say more fingers pointed at DHaran. His shoddy editing, tsk tsk. :P
<3 DHaran and his chickens

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Posted by Pands on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 21:55
 

/me flames Pands for the article

Posted by Fate1316 on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 22:23
 

so what was the war win count? 23-5 or something to Absalom?

and Cov said diplomacy won the awar? =)

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Posted by Shai on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 22:44
 

Isn't there such a thing as tactical withdraw? And then the whole cf term being everyone from cov must wd... gonna bounce the numbers somewhat. I vote 1 vs 1 tournament between ex Cov and Abs kds.

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Posted by Pands on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 23:43
 

nice article. :)

<3 clarey
tactical withdrawal ftl!

Posted by bliz on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:11
 

Thanks for taking the time to do this. Must have been quite a challenge.

Posted by Selecta on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:13
 

Lets hope people learn from this, and understand that powerplaying and fighting others with uneven kd numbers is not the way to replace quality.

The graphic looks interesting, but if 5:33 and KO are counted initially as cov, i wonder why Grace, Defiance, 7th and 13:17 are not? I say this cause Grace and 7th, along with abs kds, were at the very start of this awar, which i believe started before Rage was razed, but when the refered kds with Sanctuary, Mercy and Trinity all hit into BoX first war with Grace.

Shai, how about doing a worthy comment for once?

Anyway, it was fun.

Posted by AMP on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:32
 

pffft nice summary

wheres my credit ? ;)

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Posted by kisashi on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:33
 

Thank you Pands for your patience and determination in tracking down all of the information

Also, thank you for the ping pong show

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Posted by TheRock on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:33
 

kisashi

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Posted by TheRock on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:36
 

It looks like they were added before the Awar started....

Posted by brenton on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:44
 

TheRock

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Posted by kisashi on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:47
 

Nice article guys! <3 Pands

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Posted by yna on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:49
 

kisashi

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Posted by TheRock on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 01:05
 

Good job pands! Am very proud of my cougar! now you can get back to prowling :)

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Posted by Belle on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 01:51
 

good job Team ABS

Posted by jonc on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 02:37
 

TheRock

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Posted by kisashi on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 02:58
 

all the <3 for people with lots of time for aWARs...
and writing long articles...

<3
LL me

Posted by Vendetta on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 06:57
 

I've got to say, putting an article together like this was more complicated than some of the college research papers I've written. Congratulations. Quite impressive indeed, as well as informative, and interesting most of all.

Posted by doomednoob on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 09:41
 

<3 TDA

dont worry... The Deaf Cat will be back soon :D
(hopefully)

GJ Abs :)
NT Cov

<333 TDA
<333 Bogers

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Posted by TDC on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 09:41
 

Amp- I can speak for Defiance, i believe we were in this pretty well since the beginning. We have been having conflicts with cov kds the past few ages. Our inclusion with absalom in this event was something that was in the making for past few ages not something we just jumped on the bandwagon with.

Anyways good luck to all those who particapated, it was fun. I really admire your comments though Amp, lets hope the whole server learns a lot from this conflict as you posted.

Posted by princess on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 12:30
 

<3 princess, we participated in 2 clean awar wars, thank you for the article and all utimes group to keep us so informed about this awar, such big awars doesn't happen too often and it was a great experience to everyone I hope.

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Posted by Rlyeah on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 12:36
 

Good job? Good luck? I find it pathetic people throw around such words ...
Obiously you are not aware of the true meaning of this conflict that has been going on for like.. forever (even if the participants MAY have changed along the ages)
It's not about "alliance A gave us problems in the past so we decided to side with alliance B" ... Chosing a side has you marked weather you like it or not and there are consequences for your actions...it's a basic universal law.

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Posted by Waff on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 13:12
 

April 10th, YR2 The Devils Angels withdraw against Rage.
Feb 4th, YR3 Knockout withdraws against Rage.
June 7th, YR 3 Deception withdraws against Rage.
February 15th, YR4 Tivoli withdraws against Rage.
June 16th, YR4 Beware of X withdraws against Rage.

Rage > Covenant

Posted by Drug on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 14:12
 

Nice article, congrats to abs :)

Posted by IrishDragon on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 15:11
 

this after being razed 600 times too...crazy

i have little respect for absalmon but this is pretty impressive.

rip cov <3

Posted by UnbiasedObserver on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 15:19
 

:O

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Posted by kisashi on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 16:34
 

holy crapolata...

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Posted by LightNing on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 18:52
 

There seems to be many kingdoms missing from abs allies

if Ascension is to be labeled as a big ally worthy of graphs and our own little section =/

Posted by biggreg on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 20:10
 

sadly it's true. :/
It took great effort from the reporter team to pull this article off, getting all the info and trying to cross check everything to avoid errors.
Great job everyone!

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Posted by stella on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 20:40
 

well both sides had the opportunity to report in CE's and activities from their kingdoms and to their kingdoms, and everything we got is listed above.
The graph is just a overview and shouldn't be taken as exact fact, it's just trying to show a general time line.

If anything major is missing or incorrect then contact someone from the staff on irc and we'll do our best to correct it.

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Posted by stella on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 20:56
 

Covenant surrendered, not withdrawed. Also show me at least one cov kd who gained acres to call this "withdraw" tactical?

1vs1 tournament (w/out allies/mercs/whatever) would end with same result.

Posted by Drug on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 21:11
 

I'd like to take this moment to make a note:

Every single KD I have lead or been in, has NEVER lost 1 single acre to you. Ever time we out gained you.

End of note.

Posted by Chase on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 22:22
 

Care to put a wager on it?

OMAC's intervention didnt help matters, so you can strike off at least one 'victory' from your list. I would show you, but frankly, neither the time nor the patience anymore. It's all over, time to move on. RL here i come!

/me shakes angry fist at the powers that be

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Posted by Pands on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 23:06
 

Pands, the counts from the wars listed in the article are Absalom 26 wins, Covenant 5 wins, 1 Mutual Peace. How many tactical withdraws were there in those counts?

Obviously, most of these wars had outside intervention on both sides, but that's still an impressive display.

Rage 6/6, Sanctuary 4/4

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Posted by TheRock on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 00:21
 

Not denying its impressive but the gloating over the number of wws is somewhat hollow when an unknown % were due to outside influences, strategic decisions, and forced by the surrender. Either way it's now a closed chapter now, onwards and upwards. :D

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Posted by Pands on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 01:14
 

Great job to utimes writers! I think you buggers deserve a medal for all the effort.

Posted by unexpected on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 04:11
 

I can say with some confidence that roughly 100% of all wars there had outside influence, either leading up to or during. It's alliance war. Even the wars that went 1 v 1 (DOA v Fratzia, etc) had outside hits on at least one of the kds beforehand.

I'm fairly certain that the majority of the wars were not ended by the surrender.

Of course all wars have strategic decisions, but WW is WW. If it was closer, then sure, maybe the number was skewed, but look at the totals. How many WWs would have to be tactical withdraws and forced by surrender to even it out?

Cov gave out lots of war buttons that Abs kds pushed to their advantage. Rage got buttons from a whole bunch of kingdoms on that opening raze wave that they pushed throughout the war. A few other kds had that as well. With full war protection, outside interference is limited to a wave when war is declared (like Box did on us) and razes, to weaken provs or kill them. A bunch of Cov kds got trapped in very bad wars for them (Rage vs 11:22 gave Rage tons of acres on their small provs that had been killed, Mercy vs Dementia when Dementia was much smaller gave Mercy a bunch of acres, etc.) and that hurt them in the long run.

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Posted by TheRock on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 05:03
 

Outside influence excuse is getting boring now.

Current charts say it all imo. Epic fail.

Posted by Drug on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 05:12
 

you still couldnt pull off an allaince war win against though could you?
all those acres have done you soo much...
thats too bad.

Posted by Blade Master on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 06:46
 

IS SANTUS 9F an a ABS? weew

congrats guys.... ROB the Hail King and his magistrate.....wooooo

<3 to calvin the pinoy SANCTUS....

Posted by bugs82 on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 06:53
 

lol

every war was strategic, but even had there been no outside influence, its pretty obvious, abs was better coordinated, and it had the previous ages conflicts to show that on an even basis, they still win.

cov held the advantage on size and had pumped human kds.
abs had its oop growth stunted with wars "randoms" and having rage and sanct on the same island.

we can say all these ifs and buts and maybes, but in the end, one side proved to be better able to AWAR!
and as with all awars, theres no such thing as 1v1.

and regardless 26 vs 5 wins is impressive no matter which way you look at it, because many of the merc kds werent getting the same sort of attention as the abs member kds.

Posted by Blade Master on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 06:53
 

lol you have watched too much full metal alchemist!

as with all things something will fill the void, and as i understand it there is already something being created :)

get over it.

Posted by Blade Master on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 06:56
 

Where did my comments gone? :'(

good job uTimes! You guys and girls fought well to get this awesome article up! And GG to ABS and COV, it has been a fun awar and dramas :D !

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Posted by rosedragon on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 07:31
 

Ok 2 points. Outside influence does not relate to merc kds or allies or even the tooth fairy. Outside influence, is OUTSIDE influence such as OMAC deleting the server, 5 extra provs ending up in protection for resetting thinking they had got pked then spending 3 days trying to get them reset back nowhere near to what they were. So that is one ww that you can thank OMAC for.

In truth Im not trying to deny anyone their glory lap but trying to point out that unobjective crowing like an overstuffed cockerel is ridiculous. Abs won, congrats, a lot of kds did well congrats, a lot of Cov kds did well congrats, and the results should be taken with a pinch of salt. I'm thinking Legally Blonde's 'Snaps Cup'.

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Posted by Pands on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 10:04
 

<3 Pands..:)
/me gropes my goddess Pands

Posted by hudas on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 10:27
 

um omac didnt do that until quite a ways into the awar...
and saying that mercs and allies arent out side interference is laughable. having someone razed from 1k acres from oow in 4hrs is a bit rough and does effect your ability.

where as omac ask people to tell them straight away if they had stupidly reset , so that they could correct the issue before provinces lost the ability to remain at there current level.

anyway as i said previously, strategic wd's work both ways, so for all we know, those 5 wins cov took were due to abs deciding that other kds deserved a chance to rape some people...

and you are trying to detract from the loud gloating we have happening.
i mean, we had cov screaming blue murder all war, saying how abs was going to be raped, and slowly over the course of the conflict, the lack of wins began to tell, the cries became less and less, and soon even UG bit his tongue (as much as he could anyway).

also as i said, the external influences on a war, do have an effect on the outcome, which is why i mentioned that we can go off previous ages conflicts (since nothing has really changes in the 2 previous ages), which it would seem were also in abs' favor on even grounds.

this is not even mentioning the fact that as with all things, there will be another chance for everyone to try again and prove this ages record wrong, i mean hell im sure rage would be happy to face anyone without having 11 green provs... but im sure you could negociate to have them with a 5-6 green prov handicap....

anyway its still funny to hear acts of "god" being blamed for the entire loss of an allaince war.

Posted by Blade Master on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 12:15

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