Utopia: Riding Free

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wow Peppie you're like that Jerry Maguire, only Utimes is unlikely to fire you. On a side note, have u heard of the prisoner's dilemma?? Betraying is the strictly dominant strategy :D

Posted by Apollos on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 05:44
 

yeah, familiar with that

but similar experiments show that if you introduce a system of punishment, betrayal drops sharply :p

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Posted by Peppie on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 05:59
 

i wonder how long till someone blames ABS....

damn good article, and a very nice read
i know my kd tries our very best to play honorably and fairly... we will always do our best to engage people in talks and work towards an outcome both parties are happy with

we are by no means perfect, but we try very hard to stick to our word

Posted by _greenie on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 07:12
 

i love this game and i don't even want to think about it when i will have to quit it...something has to be done if we want to keep the players we still have and maybe bring some more...i liked when the server jammed the first hour we OOP ...i kinda want to have at least 30k or 40k players at least...

Posted by costin on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 08:04
 

"we try very hard to stick to our word" - that gotta be the quote of the day.
This game has turned so despicable that you need only dig your nose in public for your enemy to break whatever agreements made.

Posted by Apollos on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 08:51
 

its all because of ABSalom.

Posted by quellefeaion on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 09:26
 

Quite well written and enjoyable to read. Kudos for writing it Peppie!

I still remember reading your thesus on ut.com

Posted by Dark Messiah on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:29
 

thx!

my thesis proposal though

ive yet to write the bastard :(

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Posted by Peppie on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:30
 

Great article and a very interesting read. It's great to see things like this being discussed openly.

Posted by Clampy on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 11:29
 

+1

Editorials ftw :)

Posted by Crad on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 11:40
 

More importantly, if both sides see betrayal as the more lucrative option, everyone loses ;)

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Posted by TheRock on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 12:43
 

Absalom could just make public what they consider as fair play

Posted by Snow on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 13:09
 

Still wondering what does this have to do with Free-Riding in Utopia as ur editorial title seems to suggest..

Posted by bead on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 15:21
 

sorry if i was unclear

the whole situation can be more adequately explained as the "tragedy of the commons", where everyone benefits from a certain outcome but by pursuing rational/ruthless selfinterest it will never be achieved. The free riding part is where certain players and kingdoms take advantage of the goodwill and honourable playstyle of other folks who are trying to create a pleasant/orderly/fair/just gamespace

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Posted by Peppie on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 15:46
 

Pretty much spot on. Only reason people stick around is because either they have a good group (nice folks) to play in or/and they care only for the winning.

There is simply no way to build a kd with real random noobs anymore, because every kingdom will trash you and backstab you because it increases their score. (Survival of the fittest, yeah yeah)

The game has always been about the community, but when the game goes down we all blame everyone but the community (Mehul/OMAC).

Posted by Natrus on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 16:58
 

Considering Absalom is almost always at the top of the charts - they can police utopia. Monarchs can message Absalom (whether ingame or via irc) with their current circumstances and allow them to decide what's "honorable" - then enforce their own ruling.

We could have our very own, first ever, Absalom monarchy!

Posted by Speed_Racer on Wed, 08/19/2009 - 00:39
 

hmmm off topic... Natrus of PJ??

Posted by Judge on Wed, 08/19/2009 - 01:07
 

actually a colonial system works better. each kingdom takes a core abs player as their monarch, this way we eliminate the ABSness yet give Absalom whatever pseudo glory they need

Posted by Apollos on Wed, 08/19/2009 - 16:55
 

Good read Peppie. It's sad but yeah i would never look to Utopians to create a viable solution to the problem some rotten apples are causing. There are cheaters/hackers/whatnot in every single game out there. And for all those games goes: it is the responsibility of the game developer to create such an environment that cheating is either impossible, not rewarding enough or results in very serious measures. Mankind is an evil race over the whole, if you ask me :P The few bastards spoil it for everyone else, and the average Joe doesn't care enough to really do something about it, or is afraid his initiatives will get laughed at (like at the meeting).

I am hoping/assuming that with the new code, OMAC will soon have more tricks up their sleeve to control cheating at least, I guess time will tell.

Posted by Soloc on Thu, 08/20/2009 - 02:27
 
Peppie wrote:
thx!

my thesis proposal though

ive yet to write the bastard :(

Slacker ........... o.O

If I remember correctly that mass meeting was very Alliance orientated the indi Kingdoms tried to get a voice and where basicly ignored.

Posted by Hurlin on Thu, 08/20/2009 - 03:02
 

these problems will keep existing. In that meeting actually as the article says, there was a diff channel with the top alliances, in which a few reps discussed the situation. The log given here is mostly insignifiant. And the result of the meeting as well. I should have the other log somewhere probably, but what i can say its simple: this kind of agreements can only go for little number of kds, cant decide anything for a large number of kds. Better everyone for himself: if you are able to agree on diff terms with some kds, for your own benefit as a kd, do it.

Else even if theoretically you have some common agreement, there are always double standards: the pact will be respected with a part of the kds, and with others not. Its about connection, communication, roots and the respect you and your kd has among other players.

Posted by Sylver on Fri, 08/28/2009 - 14:00

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